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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by Andy Bebut</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Bebut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jo,

Yes, it's true that the "banking credit + commercial paper" is contracting just a little, barely 2% - 3% or so from the top.

The reason is that banks have outstanding credit lines and corporations are borrowing as much as they can even if they don't need money, because next time they come the bank may not be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jo,</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s true that the &#8220;banking credit + commercial paper&#8221; is contracting just a little, barely 2% - 3% or so from the top.</p>
<p>The reason is that banks have outstanding credit lines and corporations are borrowing as much as they can even if they don&#8217;t need money, because next time they come the bank may not be there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by JO</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>JO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-696</guid>
		<description>Hi Andy

I went back and found the chart I had read back in early August and in fact it was a chart showing Total Bank Credit AND Commercial Paper Outstanding and the indicator was the rate of change, which had collapsed from a positive figure into slightly negative suddenly in the second half of 2008. The rate of change line popped up slighlty above zero most recently. So I have to take back that comment on bank credit shrinking officially, but there is a serious question on whether the amount is actually contracting but is not yet showing up as most FI s are simply shifting loans between L2 and L3 and not marking the true status of the loan to market...the accounting seems to me ( I have limited knowledge of accounting) like a game of delay and pray..Enron's accountint might look good in comparison from what I gather. But hey, I am only 3-6 months late !! lol..Doesn't change a thing on how I feel about the next 3-5 years or so..intense deflation with disastrous inflation in the final phase..whenever that is (2012-2015??). Keep up the great posts. I live in Canada and can't believe the delusion about the economy up here..yes, it too is changing and we'll have a difficult time. The job you do, and others like you, is important ..defeating the spectacular misinformation and often outright lies coming out in the mainstream media and "experts". I have always valued the opinion of the 20 % or less profssionals in any industry (especially the economic/financial industry) who tend to hold the contrarian view much more so than the "consensus" or mainstream forecast. Good old fashioned Pareto's Law applied to this area of life !  So i look forward to the next post. Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy</p>
<p>I went back and found the chart I had read back in early August and in fact it was a chart showing Total Bank Credit AND Commercial Paper Outstanding and the indicator was the rate of change, which had collapsed from a positive figure into slightly negative suddenly in the second half of 2008. The rate of change line popped up slighlty above zero most recently. So I have to take back that comment on bank credit shrinking officially, but there is a serious question on whether the amount is actually contracting but is not yet showing up as most FI s are simply shifting loans between L2 and L3 and not marking the true status of the loan to market&#8230;the accounting seems to me ( I have limited knowledge of accounting) like a game of delay and pray..Enron&#8217;s accountint might look good in comparison from what I gather. But hey, I am only 3-6 months late !! lol..Doesn&#8217;t change a thing on how I feel about the next 3-5 years or so..intense deflation with disastrous inflation in the final phase..whenever that is (2012-2015??). Keep up the great posts. I live in Canada and can&#8217;t believe the delusion about the economy up here..yes, it too is changing and we&#8217;ll have a difficult time. The job you do, and others like you, is important ..defeating the spectacular misinformation and often outright lies coming out in the mainstream media and &#8220;experts&#8221;. I have always valued the opinion of the 20 % or less profssionals in any industry (especially the economic/financial industry) who tend to hold the contrarian view much more so than the &#8220;consensus&#8221; or mainstream forecast. Good old fashioned Pareto&#8217;s Law applied to this area of life !  So i look forward to the next post. Regards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by Andy Bebut</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Bebut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-693</guid>
		<description>Thanks Jo.

&#62;&#62;&#62; the masses still borrowed money that belonged to others 

The last report on plastic cards usage was very hot. People are burning bridges.

&#62;&#62;&#62; before the despotic leaders decide on true p”printing” in the eleventh hour of this crisis

They will but slow velocity will make it non-inflationary, as you've said.

&#62;&#62;&#62; One point on your chart that you may want to comment is the amount of credit outstanding based on this chart above apparently includes a huge amount of credit taken on very recently by the banks as a function of the SIV

No, no, it's the chart of what banks are lending. It's simply H8 form:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h8/Current/

&#62;&#62;&#62; There are other measures that correct for this and several charts already show a very sharp contraction in bank credit outstanding in Q2

That's very interesting, if by any chance you still have the link 

&#62;&#62;&#62; Finally, I think the most important key to understanding the deflation first argument is mass psychology

100% agree. It's what I called the lemming theory:

http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/07/27/k-wave-summer-and-the-lemming-theory/

I think base money will start growing at some point soon, as the demand for simple cash will increase and cash will be printed.

&#62;&#62;&#62; Much of the “growth in M2/M3 and other commonly used measures include institutional MM funds which have been taking in assets strongly

They hoard cash even if they don't need it, just in case</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jo.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; the masses still borrowed money that belonged to others </p>
<p>The last report on plastic cards usage was very hot. People are burning bridges.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; before the despotic leaders decide on true p”printing” in the eleventh hour of this crisis</p>
<p>They will but slow velocity will make it non-inflationary, as you&#8217;ve said.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; One point on your chart that you may want to comment is the amount of credit outstanding based on this chart above apparently includes a huge amount of credit taken on very recently by the banks as a function of the SIV</p>
<p>No, no, it&#8217;s the chart of what banks are lending. It&#8217;s simply H8 form:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h8/Current/" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h8/Current/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; There are other measures that correct for this and several charts already show a very sharp contraction in bank credit outstanding in Q2</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very interesting, if by any chance you still have the link </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Finally, I think the most important key to understanding the deflation first argument is mass psychology</p>
<p>100% agree. It&#8217;s what I called the lemming theory:</p>
<p><a href="http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/07/27/k-wave-summer-and-the-lemming-theory/" rel="nofollow">http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/07/27/k-wave-summer-and-the-lemming-theory/</a></p>
<p>I think base money will start growing at some point soon, as the demand for simple cash will increase and cash will be printed.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Much of the “growth in M2/M3 and other commonly used measures include institutional MM funds which have been taking in assets strongly</p>
<p>They hoard cash even if they don&#8217;t need it, just in case</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by JO</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>JO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-692</guid>
		<description>Great post Andy, your chart on total credit is good and provides a simple picture that explains the credit inflation which has occured in the last 5-6 years and created an illusion of wealth. What a fraud by central banks and governments on the massess. Of course, the masses still borrowed money that belonged to otehrs and spent it like drunken soldiers so they deserve the pain that's comi ng. I believe for about 4 years that I've focussed on this emerging financial crisis (subprime was just the ignition starter as we all know) that we will go through some sort of intense deflation before the despotic leaders decide on true p"printing" in the eleventh hour of this crisis. One point on your chart that you may want to comment is the amount of credit outstanding based on this chart above apparently includes a huge amount of credit taken on very recently by the banks as a function of the SIV and other structured vehicle mergers onto the bank balance sheets. Also, i've seen other contrarian anaylysts say that the amount of credit outstanding is being further inflated as the amounts reported are not marked to market, which inflates the amount of credit O/S. There are other measures that correct for this and several charts already show a very sharp contraction in bank credit outstanding in Q2. Any comments? Finally, I think the  most important key to understanding teh deflation first argument is mass psychology. Savings rates rose sharply, cosignment stores/dollar stores and the Wal Mart behemoth are all showing strong relative outperformance in sales and other measures, gold and silver are dropping sharply and silver has underperformed gold, as well as mining shares have also done worse than the actual metals (sign of risk aversion - consistent with deflation). Further signs in economic data include declining velocity and base money which add to the signs of emerging deflation. True printing as measured by the growth of base money can start at anytime but the sheer amount of debt going bad and about to go bad in the next 2-3 years (tied to a dramatiacally overvalued and illiquid asset of housing)simply dwarfs the current negative trends in the US dollar in my opinion. Much of the "growth in M2/M3 and other commonly used measures include institutional MM funds which have been taking in assets strongly..creating the appearance of money growth but seemingly reflecting a trend of companies drawing their LOCs before the FI s take them away. Of course, this is the classic deflationary mindset coming in..a mad scramble for cash. Despite this, i plan to accumulate gold and silver on sharp declines as a strategic holding as elevated inflation will evenutally win out in the very end. Keep up the great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Andy, your chart on total credit is good and provides a simple picture that explains the credit inflation which has occured in the last 5-6 years and created an illusion of wealth. What a fraud by central banks and governments on the massess. Of course, the masses still borrowed money that belonged to otehrs and spent it like drunken soldiers so they deserve the pain that&#8217;s comi ng. I believe for about 4 years that I&#8217;ve focussed on this emerging financial crisis (subprime was just the ignition starter as we all know) that we will go through some sort of intense deflation before the despotic leaders decide on true p&#8221;printing&#8221; in the eleventh hour of this crisis. One point on your chart that you may want to comment is the amount of credit outstanding based on this chart above apparently includes a huge amount of credit taken on very recently by the banks as a function of the SIV and other structured vehicle mergers onto the bank balance sheets. Also, i&#8217;ve seen other contrarian anaylysts say that the amount of credit outstanding is being further inflated as the amounts reported are not marked to market, which inflates the amount of credit O/S. There are other measures that correct for this and several charts already show a very sharp contraction in bank credit outstanding in Q2. Any comments? Finally, I think the  most important key to understanding teh deflation first argument is mass psychology. Savings rates rose sharply, cosignment stores/dollar stores and the Wal Mart behemoth are all showing strong relative outperformance in sales and other measures, gold and silver are dropping sharply and silver has underperformed gold, as well as mining shares have also done worse than the actual metals (sign of risk aversion - consistent with deflation). Further signs in economic data include declining velocity and base money which add to the signs of emerging deflation. True printing as measured by the growth of base money can start at anytime but the sheer amount of debt going bad and about to go bad in the next 2-3 years (tied to a dramatiacally overvalued and illiquid asset of housing)simply dwarfs the current negative trends in the US dollar in my opinion. Much of the &#8220;growth in M2/M3 and other commonly used measures include institutional MM funds which have been taking in assets strongly..creating the appearance of money growth but seemingly reflecting a trend of companies drawing their LOCs before the FI s take them away. Of course, this is the classic deflationary mindset coming in..a mad scramble for cash. Despite this, i plan to accumulate gold and silver on sharp declines as a strategic holding as elevated inflation will evenutally win out in the very end. Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by akacoat</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>akacoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be the reason for the Dollars rise:
 http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/

Note:The ESF can be used to purchase or sell foreign currencies, to hold U.S. foreign exchange</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the reason for the Dollars rise:<br />
 <a href="http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/</a></p>
<p>Note:The ESF can be used to purchase or sell foreign currencies, to hold U.S. foreign exchange</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by eah</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>eah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-690</guid>
		<description>#1

Good questions that I have also been thinking about. It's technicals vs fundamentals here (as usual), and it's hard for me to see a fundamental reason for the dollar to continue its advance other than (i.e. I cannot see the Fed raising) it is still seen as 'the world's reserve currency' and will be bought as economic conditions/dislocations worsen. &lt;a href="http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=1858#comment-288038" rel="nofollow"&gt;See this comment on Russ' blog.&lt;/a&gt;

Regarding oil, OPEC will probably soon cut production and this will inject another factor into the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1</p>
<p>Good questions that I have also been thinking about. It&#8217;s technicals vs fundamentals here (as usual), and it&#8217;s hard for me to see a fundamental reason for the dollar to continue its advance other than (i.e. I cannot see the Fed raising) it is still seen as &#8216;the world&#8217;s reserve currency&#8217; and will be bought as economic conditions/dislocations worsen. <a href="http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=1858#comment-288038" rel="nofollow">See this comment on Russ&#8217; blog.</a></p>
<p>Regarding oil, OPEC will probably soon cut production and this will inject another factor into the market.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by Shankar Khadye</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Shankar Khadye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-689</guid>
		<description>Since some time, I have thought that as the crisis unfolds and picks up pace, the US$ will actually strengthen because:

- It is still world's reserve currency;
- Foreign assets start looking extremely risky;
- US assets start looking attractive;

Hence, a lot of money will come home and take refuge in US$ (safe asset - bonds). (Whether that is right is a matter for debate.) Gold and other commodities will correct sharply indicating oncoming depression.

However, that may also prove to be the opportunity of the lifetime to get out of US$ into hard assets (Gold, Agricultural Land etc.) and foreign currencies (selective currencies - CHF, JPY etc.)

Any thoughts?


- Shankar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since some time, I have thought that as the crisis unfolds and picks up pace, the US$ will actually strengthen because:</p>
<p>- It is still world&#8217;s reserve currency;<br />
- Foreign assets start looking extremely risky;<br />
- US assets start looking attractive;</p>
<p>Hence, a lot of money will come home and take refuge in US$ (safe asset - bonds). (Whether that is right is a matter for debate.) Gold and other commodities will correct sharply indicating oncoming depression.</p>
<p>However, that may also prove to be the opportunity of the lifetime to get out of US$ into hard assets (Gold, Agricultural Land etc.) and foreign currencies (selective currencies - CHF, JPY etc.)</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
<p>- Shankar</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by manish</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis is (&#38;has been)wonderful. But I do not think thar relative valuations are the only reason for the dollar's apparent rise. I rather think that after a nearly 50% fall from its peak against the Euro it may actually be bottoming out. Not just that, it may be discounting a slew of major bankruptcies in the financial sector which would indicate the beginning of the end of the present crisis. And consequently the commodites which had been rising with the dollar fall and anticipating futher falls may now fall to there recent lows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis is (&amp;has been)wonderful. But I do not think thar relative valuations are the only reason for the dollar&#8217;s apparent rise. I rather think that after a nearly 50% fall from its peak against the Euro it may actually be bottoming out. Not just that, it may be discounting a slew of major bankruptcies in the financial sector which would indicate the beginning of the end of the present crisis. And consequently the commodites which had been rising with the dollar fall and anticipating futher falls may now fall to there recent lows.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by manish</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>manish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish you'd go back to the theroxylandr page. That is so much better. It's unique and a real treat to visit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish you&#8217;d go back to the theroxylandr page. That is so much better. It&#8217;s unique and a real treat to visit</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something about Dollar by Andy</title>
		<link>http://yellowroad.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/2008/08/17/something-about-dollar/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radhe, IMHO dollar is at major resistance right now. It should take at least a month (or more) to break it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radhe, IMHO dollar is at major resistance right now. It should take at least a month (or more) to break it</p>
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